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	<title>Comments on: Le roi est mort &#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: BC Collins</title>
		<link>http://mike.kronenberg.org/?p=190&#038;cpage=1#comment-1237</link>
		<dc:creator>BC Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should call it Cork!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should call it Cork!  <img src='http://mike.kronenberg.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://mike.kronenberg.org/?p=190&#038;cpage=1#comment-1111</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James,

Yes I know. I had the same discussion on qemu and other OS projects I participated. Thing is, OS X is not c but obj-c. I might bow to implement the UI in obj-c instead in nib. But I don&#039;t see the sense in it at all.
In other days, devs argued by saying nibs and other binary files are not suitable for cvs/snv/git. I, too, don&#039;t like binaries in my svn. But todays nibs are plain xml, so no trouble with that.
But I know that I&#039;d bite on solid rock with wine-dev.
It&#039;s not written anywhere, but I get the impression that raw wine is just developed as a base (library so to speak) and all UI is implemented by other projects (like cross-over, ubuntu, bordeaux or winehelper on OS X).

To keep it that way, all checkins are limited to pure c (which is great for library stuff and de facto a no-go for comprehensive UIs).

I&#039;m fine with that, as it really makes sense to leave UI stuff outside the lib, especially with so many platforms supported.

I&#039;ll host &quot;WineBottler &quot; (still codename) sources separately as was it done with winehelper.

I&#039;ll build wine and add WineBottler as a separate starter/controller app to the bundle like it is with winebottler.

By accepted I just mean, being a &quot;Friend of Wine&quot;, so to speak for wine-devel savvies ;)

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James,</p>
<p>Yes I know. I had the same discussion on qemu and other OS projects I participated. Thing is, OS X is not c but obj-c. I might bow to implement the UI in obj-c instead in nib. But I don&#8217;t see the sense in it at all.<br />
In other days, devs argued by saying nibs and other binary files are not suitable for cvs/snv/git. I, too, don&#8217;t like binaries in my svn. But todays nibs are plain xml, so no trouble with that.<br />
But I know that I&#8217;d bite on solid rock with wine-dev.<br />
It&#8217;s not written anywhere, but I get the impression that raw wine is just developed as a base (library so to speak) and all UI is implemented by other projects (like cross-over, ubuntu, bordeaux or winehelper on OS X).</p>
<p>To keep it that way, all checkins are limited to pure c (which is great for library stuff and de facto a no-go for comprehensive UIs).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m fine with that, as it really makes sense to leave UI stuff outside the lib, especially with so many platforms supported.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll host &#8220;WineBottler &#8221; (still codename) sources separately as was it done with winehelper.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll build wine and add WineBottler as a separate starter/controller app to the bundle like it is with winebottler.</p>
<p>By accepted I just mean, being a &#8220;Friend of Wine&#8221;, so to speak for wine-devel savvies <img src='http://mike.kronenberg.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: James M., Tuscon, Arizona</title>
		<link>http://mike.kronenberg.org/?p=190&#038;cpage=1#comment-1108</link>
		<dc:creator>James M., Tuscon, Arizona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 01:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike:
Word of warning.  If you want your project accepted by AJ, you have to use &#039;just plain c&#039;  Luckily, there is a &#039;c&#039; version of the Cocoa interface.  I don&#039;t know where its at, but if you search wine-devel, it&#039;s there.
James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike:<br />
Word of warning.  If you want your project accepted by AJ, you have to use &#8216;just plain c&#8217;  Luckily, there is a &#8216;c&#8217; version of the Cocoa interface.  I don&#8217;t know where its at, but if you search wine-devel, it&#8217;s there.<br />
James</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://mike.kronenberg.org/?p=190&#038;cpage=1#comment-1088</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 15:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me too, but it&#039;s a nogo if I want any support from wine-devel.
And with the winehelper replacement, it&#039;s of no use to change paths from Darwine to Wine, just to change it again in some weeks time. Maybe it&#039;s going to be a Wine folder that consists of the wine.bundle and the replacement. But &quot;Darwine&quot; is gone . Whatever we do, it&#039;s got to be well thought thru.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me too, but it&#8217;s a nogo if I want any support from wine-devel.<br />
And with the winehelper replacement, it&#8217;s of no use to change paths from Darwine to Wine, just to change it again in some weeks time. Maybe it&#8217;s going to be a Wine folder that consists of the wine.bundle and the replacement. But &#8220;Darwine&#8221; is gone . Whatever we do, it&#8217;s got to be well thought thru.</p>
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		<title>By: pinchies</title>
		<link>http://mike.kronenberg.org/?p=190&#038;cpage=1#comment-1087</link>
		<dc:creator>pinchies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 14:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds good, but I can see that some people will prefer the older method of builds to continue, at least until this is rock solid.
I&#039;m thinking of posting some builds myself, but I need a bit more time, as I am packed with upcoming exams...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds good, but I can see that some people will prefer the older method of builds to continue, at least until this is rock solid.<br />
I&#8217;m thinking of posting some builds myself, but I need a bit more time, as I am packed with upcoming exams&#8230;</p>
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